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Grant Fidelity- 04-06-2008
Anniversary and Clearance sale.

Check out the new GF store for great deals:

http://grantfidelity.com/site/catalog

The boss (Rachel) said 'get it up by Sunday' which I mistook for something else. Have a peek around and let me know what you think. I've got about a third of our products up and it still needs some work which I'll be completeing over the next few days.

Ian

Grant Fidelity- 04-10-2008
I've listed some 99 cent no reserve auctions on ebay for our open box and demo stock as part of our anniversary. For our dealers, we will provide a free PC-1.5 Power Cable with any GF Tube component except the B-283 to any customer that purchases from you while we run the anniversary promotion and sales.

http://search.ebay.ca/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ25...4Q5fPcNQ5fQ5fSI

Ian

Mass. Wine Guy- 05-19-2008
How many prisoners' kidneys go into each of your components, Ian?

dingus- 05-19-2008
thats a bit out of line, see my PM.

clint e.- 05-19-2008
QUOTE (Mass. Wine Guy @ May 19, 2008 07:58 pm)
How many prisoners' kidneys go into each of your components, Ian?

Please do not use that kind of language in this forum. You already asked Ian about his factory conditions and he was kind enough to reply even with photos. What you want more?
Start a revolution?
If so, here is my advice:
First you start a revolution in your house, then in your street, then in your neighborhood, then in your city, then in your country and only then after all this you can start a revolution at Sound Thinking by using that kind of language abuse.

Keep cool.

itlldue- 05-19-2008
Mass. Wine Guy-

I respect your position concerning the working conditions in China and your efforts to not support products that condone these conditions.

In my 26+years of business, I have bought and sold many different types of equipment, both domestic and imported. I at one time even had my Federal Firearms License, and sold guns and ammo. Although I did everything according to the law, I had no control over what happened with the firearms once I sold them. If I sold a shotgun to a hunter, I had no say over whether or not he went off the deep end and used the gun to rob a bank or shoot someone else.

I sold tools, and had no way to stop the construction worker who bought a pry bar for work, but later used it to pry open a door during a burglary.

I can provide countless other examples of good intentions gone bad. I'm sure that, to you, they pale in comparison to the working conditions in foreign countries that we here in the US buy from on a regular basis, and I can't say I blame you.

If I might quote one of your first posts:

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I am a freelance writer who mostly covers wine and spirits.


I find it ironic that, as passionate as you are about the working conditions in China, the product you in essence make your living off of has caused more deaths, maimed more people, orphaned more children, and ruined more lives than the current working conditions overseas EVER could. The workers will eventually stand up for their rights and put an end to the treatment they currently receive, but the little boy or girl who's father or mother was killed by a drunk driver will NEVER have another. Add to that all of the days missed from work, poor performance due to hangover, medical costs, and expenses to our judicial and prison system, just for the sake of a recreational beverage, and you have a condition that seems pretty close in comparison, yet YOU support it. Yes, there are people who use good judgment and respect the qualities of alcohol, just as there are reputable factories in China who take care of their employees. Ian has no more control over who works in the factories than you have over the people who buy the bottle of wine you recommend.

I just wouldn't be too concerned about the weeds growing in my neighbor's back yard until I pulled a few in my own.

doctorbongo- 05-20-2008
That's an amazing rebuttal, Larry.
(This coming from a longterm freelance writer who has drunk wine from
all over the globe, including Chile {is it Pinochet we should remember?} and
other nations with unfavorable labor practices).
The world is a freaking mess. The world has always been a freaking mess.
There are just more suffering fools on its flimsy crust than ever before.
And it's a MULTINATIONAL freaking mess -- an oligarchy of politicoindustrialists.
But feel free to try to buy "pure" products.
What was this board about again?


speakerman1- 05-20-2008
We are lucky to live in the counties we do. Both are capitalistic. We have choices what you choose to do is called feedom.
The Chinese don't have that piviliage; but if you look closely they are becoming more capilisti. Today in Chine is 40,000 dead. I feal sympahy.

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