In hind sight, it seems I placed too much importance on my response and thought it somewhat heavy handed but needing to be said. Emaidel is indeed a very worthy member whose postings I reread for glints of his valuable perspectives which I relish.

In rereading my post, I am guilty of poor phrasing with regard to my comments about Dingus' bow.. My comments were not a shot across his bow. But precursor that my comments may in some fashion irk some of the players participating in the dialogue.

To all involved and specifically those who are immersed within the DQ-10's fray my opinions haven't changed. The speakers require first rate Electronics and associated gear with plenty of high current from class A or B rated manufacturers to perfrom as designed and not the "Soundcraftsman & Crown" ilk.

Audio Research & Conrad Johnson Amen indeed

My particular thanks to Dingus for his support and frankly a reaction from the senior membership which I was not expecting. With all due respect and humility Thanks to all...

Fooled you, didn't I?

That's very kind of you. I may have a lot of knowledge about audio gear, but most of it is quite dated, and I have to admit to knowing very little about many a piece of modern day gear, save the Marantz SA-8001 SACD player I recently purchased.

I have extensive experience with the Dahlquist DQ-10's, not only from having purchased a pair back in 1977, but in many, many conversations with the people who once worked for Dahlquist, and to whom I sold dozens of Pickering XSV-3000 cartridges (Saul Marantz, after I gave him a 3000 to use at a show, declared it the best sounding moving magnet cartridge he'd ever heard). I also had quite a few conversations with the service manager of Regnar, Joe, who discussed with me at length the need for a complete rebuild instead of simply a refoam of the woofers. I did pay $139.50 for each woofer, and, despite the howls of pro-*test*-('")s and criticisms from members at another website, am glad I did.

I try to offer my comments and observations in a manner designed to inform others, and hopefully, guide them in the right direction in making purchasing decisions on equipment I'm familiar with. Sometimes, that's appreciated, and at others, it's not. That's just the way it goes, I guess!

Jim Eck.

I tip my hat to you and indeed my comments in hindsight maycould have been construed and border on flaming. I assure you and the members at large, I do not flame and my apologies will end with this posting.

As for bashing gear, my Wife drives a BMW and I drive a Honda, dichotomy would you say?

I am getting old and cranky the closer I get to 65...I find the pearls of my audio history and evolution seemingly never get the respect they deserved or so it seems to me.

The Dq-10's were among the rare few which sounded like real music given the proper amplification at the time it was introduced. I own Thiel 3.6's and 2.4's, I wish I had a pair of Maggies!!!! but my room is too small.

I have been through the JBL Paragons. Leak & early Quad amps, Bozak drivers with whizzer cones and the wonderful Janzten speakers..... I even owned Koss electrostatic's!

My history predates stereo FM with the built-in mpx decoder. In fact I had to buy a add-on MPX decoder from Fisher to get Stereo reception...It sounded like crap looking back, but we had stereo FM!I also had a Dual 1006 Turntable back in 1960 with that crazy feeler wheel to identify the edge of the record insure the lead-in groove.

Lets just say i had a bad week....

The way I look at it, which btw, I have not heard a set of dq10s, I know I am missing out, but I sometimes get to writing and dont realize that it might be coming across a little harsh, and reading most of your posts the last couple years, I think that may happen to you a little, and I just go with it because I do not believe you are actually being a jerk, just stating your opinion firmly,

on the other hand there are a lot of newer folks that havent been around and read some of your stronger feelings.

and I still wish paul could hear my vandy's I think he would change his mind on the theils, but that is me stirring the pot.

elroy

Damn!
I leave the room for a coupla days and you guys have a barroom brawl.
Okay, overthetoppillowfight.



Just a few observations:
-If dinguscott starts to bow, make sure you aren't behind him.
-I'm still buying the DQ-10s. I take a preponderance of the evidence/gestalt approach. If a whole buncha guys, or a few guys whose opinions I really respect in this case, laud a particular product, I am likely to buy it -see next point:
-I'm sure there is TONS of new stuff on the market that sounds better than DQ-10s. I also am sure there are speakers that cost DQ10-times as much that sound about the same, perhaps worse. I am what is called a "journalist", which translates to "poor person with a voluminous vocabulary." I had to convince myself I deserved to splurge on something that is 30 years old and needs some TLC.
-I'm running Klipsch now, and will not get rid of them. I didn't seek them out, but got them thru a longagogirlfriend. But they sound great now --with the hafler transnova 3grand and PSAudio pre. I understand the criticisms, but I've heard people diss just about everything made THAT I CAN AFFORD.

I feel inclined to blow my mind get hung up feed the ducks with a bun.
It's all too beautiful...
(IS that what you were talking about, Jim?)

there was no argument as far as the DQ-10's go, by all accounts a special speaker. the was a discussion about what amplification to run them with.

sage advise. also, make sure you arent carrying a source of flame either.

There is no question the DQ-10 is a very special speaker. I find myself often stunned at how good they can sound, even today, some 31 years after I bought them!

Perhaps "special" is a good adjective, but "fickle" is certainly another one. In the past, my B&W 802F Specials outperformed the 10's, and by a fairly large margin too. Then, somehow I stumbled upon the right combination of amplification, speaker cables and, most important, room size, speaker placement and room acoustics.

In a large den I had in Littleton, Colorado, the speakers were along the shorter of two walls in a less than perfect location, but one necessitated by other issues. The room was at least 27 feet long, and about 15 feet wide, with a ceiling that went from 10 feet at one end (opposite the speakers) to over 18 feet at the other. In this room, the B&W's were the clear winners.

Since then, I've been able to put the speakers in a far better acoustic environment, and there's no question at all which is the better speaker, and it's definitely not the B&W. One thing the 10's aren't is a speaker designed to project sound at high levels into a very large room, and being able to sit fairly close to the speaker (as opposed to 27 feet from them!) makes an enormous difference.

Now, with the Adcom GFA-5800, and my newest toy, the Marantz SA-8001 SACD player, I find myself amazed at the 10's performance. They were never known as a speaker with considerable dynamic range, but in my listening room here in Moore, SC, they all but knock me over as the level of the music on many a Telarc recording reaches its fortissimos.

My 10's are also "Show Models." I purchased them direct from Dahlquist, and they're the very speakers I borrowed from Dahlquist to use in the Pickering booth at a Hi-Fi Show in Philadelphia in 1977. The capacitors in the crossover are very large green block units, no one anywhere seems to have ever seen. I suspect they're very special caps, as they've lasted this long, and weren't ever used in a production model. I guess, in this respect, I'm just lucky.

Gene, it takes a real Gentleman to stand up in a public forum and apologize as you have.

I have read many of your posts in the past and find you to be a very knowledgable man, and what you were stating had a lot of merit, but as you said, how it is phrases can be the difference. Someone could have a GPX system and really enjoy it, for me to say anything bad would be in bad form, it may be their entrance system, let them enjoy it.

I would like to apologize to you for having this discussion in public, it is not the prefered method.

So lets write it off as a bad day, and get back to legitimate discussion of audio.

Jim

Funny how the Dalhquist DQ-10´s seem to inspire as much passion as the QUAD ELS and ELS 63 over here in Europe.

Several decades after their launch there still is no consensus as to what is the best amp to drive them. Of course I know which one it is, but I´m not telling.

Jorge

Jorge, you scoundrel!

I throw myself under the bus and create a bit of furor and you won't recapitulate?

How gosh!

I am at a loss to recall what "European" amps could drive these speakers.....None come to mind. I guess it is a USA made amp!

Probably a Dynaco 416A with the 100K mf add-on caps supply unit--I had one of these and loved the chrome and those big rack handles and it didn't sound too bad either. But it had an oscillation issue which caused the fuses to blow frequently.

You got me stumped.... Even the Macs didn't have enough current to cook those those fuses which seem to blow all the time...

The Hafler transnovas are bridgeable, at 400 watts mono.
So, since I already have one, the additional price tag would't be too high, if I decide the single isn't getting it done at 150wpc.
I'm extremely pleased with the performance of the one, but it can make these Klipsch uncomfortably loud at 4. (And the sound is gorgeous at medium loud, but tends to get harsh when it's really loud.)

Mister Maidel, did you live in Littleton when it was still a little town?

Thanks for the kind words, Gene.

In fact I was trying to lighten things up , which wasn´t really necessary once you had already done it yourself with your very gentlemanly post.

As for the amp I´m being so secretive about it´s scandivanian.

That´s all you will get out of me.

Jorge

Touche'

mom amis'

Which Vandies do you have? The same as my Vandy 2Cs?

Great speakers, closer to the DQs than the Thiels are. And in my opinion, easier to get good sound from.

The Thiels are excellent only when fed 93 octane, while the vandies will run on 89 to 93, and sound good on all of it.

the 2c's, i own, but what really made them sing was the big change in amplification, it improved the sound tenfold, really, tenfold, they used to be picky about placement, now not so much,

i really would love hear a set of dq 10's, i think there is cool factor that is special, and from what everyone is saying, they sound great, especially with a sub. I know someday I will get a chance to hear a set.

elroy