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clint e.- 06-02-2007
Data storage

Did you know that it would take around 6 000 floppy disks to store one DVD - or 4 500 compact cassettes, with a playback time of 280 days? ohmy.gif Here’s a brief look into the history of data storage.

Punch cards

The oldest known form of data storage is from 1725 and was done by Basile Bouchon when he used a perforated paper loop to store patterns that were to be used on cloth.

But the first real patent for some kind of data storage is dated back in 23 Sep 1884 by Herman Hollerith, an invention that was used for nearly 100 years until the mid 1970s.
http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/univac/cards.html


Punched tape

The first known use of the paper tape was back in 1846 by Alexander Bain - the inventor of the fax machine and the electric printing telegraph. Each row on the tape represents one character, but since you easily could create a fanfold you could store signigicantly more data using the punched tape compared to the punch cards.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_tape


Selectron tubes

In 1946 RCA started the development of the Selectron tube. It was an early form of computer memory and the largest selectron tube measured 10 inches and could store 4096 bits. As these tubes were very expensive, they were very short-lived on the market.
http://home.att.net/~thercaselectron/sel1024.html


Magnetic tape

In the 1950s magnetic tapes was first used by IBM to store data on magnetic tape. Since one roll of magnetic tape could store as much data as 10 000 punch cards it became an instant success and became the most popular way of storing computer data until the mid 1980s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_tape


Compact Cassette

The Compact Cassette is of course one kind of magnetic tape but since so many of us have used them, it deserves a special section. The Compact Cassette was introduced by Philips in 1963 but it wasn’t until the 1970s it became popular. Computers like the ZX Spectrum, the Commodore 64 and the Amstrad CPC used the cassettes to store data. A standard 90 minutes Compact cassette could store around 700kB to 1MB of data on each side of the tape. How about buying 4500 compact cassettes and create a backup of your favorite DVD - it would only take 281 days to restore the data, hehe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_audio_cassette


The magnetic drum

The magnetic drum was a 16 inch long drum spun that did 12,500 revolutions per minute. It was used to give the IBM 650 computer about 10 000 characters of main memory.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits...e_PH5-19.htm%22


The floppy disk

In 1969 the first floppy disk was introduced. It was a read-only 8 inch disk that could store 80kB of data. 4 years later, in 1973, the a similar floppy disk with the same size could store 256kB of data plus it was possible to write new data again and again. Since then the trend has been the same - smaller floppy disks that could store more data. In the late 1990s you could get ahold of 3 inch disks that could store 250 MB of data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk


World’s first hard drive

IBM unveiled the 305 RAMAC on September 13th, 1956. The computer was nothing but a revolution since it could store up to 4.4MB of data (5 million characters) - an enormous amount of data back then. The data was stored on fifty 24 inch magnetical disks. More than 1000 systems were built and the production ended in 1961. IBM leased the computers for $3 200 per month.
http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits...ge_PH0350A.html


The hard drive

The hard drive is still a product that is under constant development. The Hitachi Deskstar 7K500 was the first hard disk drive that can store 500 GB of data - or approxmiately 120 000 times ohmy.gif more data than the world’s first hard drive IBM 305 RAMAC. The trend is crystal clear; for each year we get cheaper drives that can store more data faster.


The Laserdisc

In 1958 the Laserdisc technology was invented, but it wasn’t until 1972 that the first videodisc was demonstrated in public. 6 years later, in 1978, it was available on the market. It wasn’t possible to store data on the discs, but they could store video and image data with a significantly higher quality than tecnniques like VHS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc


The compact disc

The compact disc originates from the laser disc, but it’s much smaller (and stores less data). It was developed in a co-operation between SONY and Philips back in 1979 and the Compact Disc reached the market late in 1982. A typical CD of today can store 700 MB of data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc


DVD

A DVD (Digital Versatile Disc or Digital Video Disc) is basically a CD that uses a different kind of laser technology. The laser’s wavelength uses 780nm infrared light (standard CD use 625nm to 650nm red light) which makes it possible to store more data on the same amount of space. A dual layer DVD can store 8.5GB of data.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD


The Future?

There’s a lot of modern data storage media like memory cards we haven’t mentioned here, but in the near future we are about to experience the launch of Blu-Ray and HD DVD - two competing formats which basically just is another version of the compact disc that can store even more data thanks to the blue-violet laser technology. It will be interesting to see which format wins, but Blu-Ray seems to be the gaining in popularity.

But it’s when we start to look beyond these formats things are starting to get interesting. What would you say about having a Holographic Versatile Disc that could store 160 times more data than a Blu-Ray disc. 3.9 TB of data on one disc - or approximately 4,600 to 11,900 hours of video using MPEG4 encoding - or would you rather spend a fortune on a couple of billion punch cards?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc


Store 1 DVD on…

user posted image

Yeah, that’s right. It would take approximately 90 million punch cards to be able to store one 8.4GB DVD, or 6 000 floppys, or 4 500 compact cassettes ( it would only take 281 days to restore the data, biggrin.gif ) - or if we would turn it the other way around, it would take 0.2% of a 3.9TB Holographic disc… blink.gif

hifi_nut- 06-02-2007
Ok, Ok, what the heck is an holographic disc? soundt/confused-smiley-013.gif

Jorge

clint e.- 06-02-2007
Ok biggrin.gif the other link was dead, i just edited the post. Please try the new link. wink.gif

doctorbongo- 06-11-2007
WOW!!!
You gents have blown my alleged mind.
I caught the part about the technology being in existence for 50 years,
but I have never been an early adopter because:
A) I'm cheap.
2) I don't have much patience with buying beta stuff.
I want to make sure it lives up to the hype and does not live in the repair shop.
But I gotta say, it sounds MUCH MORE APPEALING to me than buying an
old tube amp that was essentially used for a PA system in some middle school...

Also, it means a lot to me that several of you are RECOMMENDING several models. My guess is the amps they "replaced" in your systems would blow the lids off (it's a theme) of anything I've owned.
I will read this entire thread, until the gray matter starts oozing out of my ears.

When I saw the price, I figured it was in some non-US measure, say 7 dollars to the whatever. But at $38 bux american, door to door, I ordered the T-Amp from the geek guys with the shipping monkeys. I'll report back after I get it and try it out. Thanks for ALL of the info...

soundt/woot.gif

dennis

dingus- 06-12-2007
QUOTE (doctorbongo @ June 11, 2007 01:11 am)
... at $38 bux american, door to door, I ordered the T-Amp ...

Dennis, it just occurred to me that the original T-Amp doesnt come with a power supply. unless you ordered one with your purchase, you'll have to use batteries or figure out another alternative.

for simple ease of use i got this one, http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/pshowdetl.c...FTOKEN=90682350
there are other, and reportedly better sounding choices. i'm sorry, i am not well versed in the area of power for this amp, but there are sources on the net if you want to research it.

clint e.- 06-12-2007
QUOTE (doctorbongo @ June 11, 2007 08:11 am)
WOW!!!
You gents have blown my alleged mind.
I caught the part about the technology being in existence for 50 years,
but I have never been an early adopter because:
A) I'm cheap.
2) I don't have much patience with buying beta stuff.
I want to make sure it lives up to the hype and does not live in the repair shop.
But I gotta say, it sounds MUCH MORE APPEALING to me than buying an
old tube amp that was essentially used for a PA system in some middle school...

Also, it means a lot to me that several of you are RECOMMENDING several models. My guess is the amps they "replaced" in your systems would blow the lids off (it's a theme) of anything I've owned.
I will read this entire thread, until the gray matter starts oozing out of my ears.

When I saw the price, I figured it was in some non-US measure, say 7 dollars to the whatever. But at $38 bux american, door to door, I ordered the T-Amp from the geek guys with the shipping monkeys. I'll report back after I get it and try it out. Thanks for ALL of the info...

soundt/woot.gif

dennis

You're soundt/welcomeani.gif and congrats for the T-Amp. soundt/awesome.gif

doctorbongo- 06-15-2007
I'll start off by saying I've always had receivers or integrated amps.
So, I am ignorant about the workings of the amp-preamp combos.
I think I saw a discussion somewhere about using an integrated amp
as a preamp. I tacked this onto this thread because my first chip amp
should arrive any day now, and I don't own a preamp.

Is this concept:
a- dopey?
b- idiotic?
c- silly?
d- possible, but dopey, idiotic and silly?
e- not only possible, but a keen idea until a suitable preamp is procured?

thanks in advance for humoring me.
wink.gif

dennis


dingus- 06-15-2007
QUOTE (doctorbongo @ June 15, 2007 12:27 am)
... I saw a discussion somewhere about using an integrated amp
as a preamp.  I tacked this onto this thread because my first chip amp
should arrive any day now, and I don't own a preamp. 

Is this concept:
a- dopey?
b- idiotic?
c- silly?
d- possible, but dopey, idiotic and silly?
e- not only possible, but a keen idea until a suitable preamp is procured?

thanks in advance for humoring me.
wink.gif

dennis

i chose e.
i did exactly this when i bought my first Sonic Impact T-amp. used an old Pioneer SA-7100 that did a fine job as preamp for well over a year, until i replaced it with a dedicated Hafler preamp last week.

btw, you can hook a cdp directly to the T-amp and do without a pre at all, but i wouldnt recommend it. i've heard three different types/versions of amps that use a tri-path chip, and all have sounded better when used with something acting as a pre.

doctorbongo- 06-15-2007
Good morning, Scott.

In what sequence did you hook everything up?


clint e.- 06-17-2007
Like Scott says, you can use a preamp - if you have one - or you can hook the cdp directly to the inputs of the Sonic T.
I offered my Super Sonic T to my son wink.gif and i have a valve "buffer" between the cdp and the Sonic T and it works great. If you have a preamp you can hook it between the cdp and the Sonic T. And that's it... soundt/woot.gif
Have fun.
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dingus- 06-17-2007
thats a killer little bedroom system Alvaro.

i had mine hooked up just as you would hook up any preamp to an amp. the only difference using an integrated amp as preamp is that you'll need to pull the Main-in/Pre-out jumpers and run the interconnect from the integrated pre-out to the T-amp. you'll have two volume controls and it takes some experimentation to find the right spot for each control. i found that setting the T-amp volume at halfway gave the best overall sound. this way the integrated is the working volume control.

doctorbongo- 06-18-2007
I'll try it as you described, Scott & Clint.

Now I need to figure out which amp or receiver I'll use as the pre.
And I'm really looking forward to hearing some of these speakers I have been tripping over here, but haven't gotten to hear here.

Thanks, Gents.

dennis


clint e.- 07-09-2007
Everything Old Is Digital Again

So sit back, warm up the old Dell (grab a beer) and get ready to blast off with great comedy, drama and adventures from the “golden days of yesteryear”.

Old Time Radio

Note: The best way to download OTR from Archive.org is via the "Whole directory" link when available.

clint e.- 09-03-2007
Burr Brown Product Datasheets

clint e.- 09-03-2007
Dac's Dac's Dac's....

Some of the best DAC's in the world: (With no order whatsoever)

http://www.accusticarts.de/pages/en/dac_i_fr.html - Accustic Arts

http://diyparadise.com/dackit/1545bdackit.html - "Monica 2" Dac Kit

http://www.cec-web.co.jp/products/da/da53/da53_e.html - C.E.C.DA53

http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/trinity_tech_e.html - GTE Trinity DAC

http://www.emmlabs.com/html/products/dac8/dac8.html - EMM Labs

http://www.weiss.ch/dac1/dac1.html - Weiss DAC1 & DAC1-MK2

http://www.weiss-highend.ch/medea/index.html - Weiss MEDEA D/A CONVERTER

http://www.dcsltd.co.uk/dcs_delius.html - dCS Delius - 24/192 - DSD D/A Converter


http://www.ifiaudio.com/md10.html - MUSILAND M10

http://www.pacificvalve.us/MusilandMD10.html - DIYEDEN Musiland

http://www.prismsound.com/music_recording/...a2/da2_home.php - Prism Sound DA-2 DA Converter

http://www.genexaudio.com/hardware/gxd8.html - Genex 8-Channel D-A Converter

http://www.cranesong.com/hedd192.html - Crane Song D/A Converters

http://www.dodsonaudio.com/da218info.htm - Dodson Audio

http://www.entech-tradeshow.com/article32.html - Entech

http://www.sound4sale.com/products/homeProducts.php - Nelson Link Dac III

http://www.ciaudio.com/ - CiAudio VDA•2

http://www.wavelengthaudio.com/usbdac.html - Wavelecngh USB Tube Dac

http://www.diykits.com.hk - Diy Kits & Zhalu Dac

http://web.mac.com/ultrafitimes/iWeb/ultrafitimes/iRoc.html - iRoc USB DAC

http://www.scott-nixon.com/dac.htm - Scott Nixon USB Tube Dac's

http://www.musicalfidelity.com/products/smlx/xdacv3.html - Musical Fidelity X-DACv3

http://pacificvalve.us/LTDAC38.html - Lite DAC 38 and more..


http://www.arcdb.ws/DAC1/DAC1.html - Audio Research DAC1


http://www.aprilmusic.com/products/products_da100.htm - Stello DA100 USB-D/A Converter


http://www.mother-of-tone.com/attraction.htm - Altmann Attraction DAC

http://www.ack-industries.com/dAck!.html - dAck! 2.0 digital filterless D-to-A Converter

http://www.meridian-audio.com/welcome.htm - Meridian audio

http://www.benchmarkmedia.com/dac1/ - Benchmark Dac 1 USB

http://www.monarchyaudio.com/ - Monarchy DAC 22C

http://www.psaudio.com/products/digital_link_iii.asp - PS Audio Digital Link III

http://www.cadence-tech.com.sg/Lifestyle/audio_main.htm - Cadence Audio

http://www.meier-audio.homepage.t-online.de/index.htm - Meier Audio

http://www.classeaudio.com/index.htm - Classé

http://www.musicalfidelity.com/products/xseries/xdacv8.html - Musical Fidelity X-DACv8

http://www.apogeedigital.com/products/rosetta200.php - Apogee ROSETTA 200 Dac

http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_transporter.html - SlimDevices

http://www.cyrusaudio.com/product.asp?ProductID=5 - Cyrus DAC X

http://www.electrocompaniet.com/ - Electrocompaniet

http://www.belcantodesign.com/prod_eOneDAC3.html - Bel Canto e.One Dac3

http://www.cyrusaudio.com/product.asp?ProductID=20 - Cyrus DAC XP

http://www.msbtech.com/products/dac3.php - MSB DAC III

http://www.chordelectronics.co.uk/products_detail.asp?id=33 - Chord DAC 64

http://www.sigsound.com/PDFs/PrimaDacLit.pdf - Prima D/A Converter

http://www.zandenaudio.com/products/english/index.html - Zanden Dac

http://www.wadia.com/products/products_main.htm - Wadia 130 &150 Analog-to-Digital Converters

http://www.thetadigital.com/product/gen8/prod-info.htm- Theta Digital

http://www.nagraaudio.com/highend/index.php - Nagra Dac

http://www.burmester.de/english/productlin...-970-infos.html - Burmester Dac970

http://www.highendpalace.com/ - ACCUPHASE DC-101 DAC

http://www.audionote.co.uk/ - Audio Note Dac5

http://www.mbl-germany.de/Reference_html/1611_d.html - MBL 1611E Dac

http://www.aqvox.de/products.html - Aqvox Dac MKII

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