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Sonik- 11-30-2007
QUOTE (clint e. @ November 30, 2007 06:40 am)
QUOTE (Sonik @ November 30, 2007 02:21 pm)
Are you sure about the list you included? ...

No, i'm not. smile.gif
But, i'm pretty sure about your Wadia transport. wink.gif

Well, the thing is that I can buy a Philips CD104. On the internet I found several sources that state it uses the CDM1. Now, if this is true, I would like to buy it for a spare CDM1 unit.

The thing is that the CD104 was produced from 1983 and my Wadia is from '90/'91, so there is a big gap. If it is the CDM1 though I can buy it very cheap.

Sonik- 11-30-2007
I bought a CDM1 mechanism that looks like new and is in good working order. I hope it is the one I need. It looks exactly like this:

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Sonik- 11-30-2007
I am sure now. It is definately a CDM1 (see picture). Only concern is that one website mentions it was a tuned version of the CDM1, so I wonder what they mean with that. Anyway, they used the standard CDM1 and a technical specialist should should be able to replace it, I think.

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clint e.- 11-30-2007
I told you so. wink.gif
Great catch another CDM1. soundt/action-smiley-035.gif

Speaking of tunning...I was talking with a friend of mine in Madrid this week and he told me that he knows a guy who have made some tweaks in CDM1 digital decoder. I told him that i was interessed about it and he's gonna phone me this weekend to gimme the exact tweak to do in CDM's transports. user posted image

I'll post it in The Sound. user posted image

BTW, great pic. user posted image

dingus- 11-30-2007
QUOTE (clint e. @ November 30, 2007 01:13 pm)
...I was talking with a friend of mine in Madrid this week and he told me that he knows a guy who have made some tweaks in CDM1 digital decoder. I told him that i was interessed about it and he's gonna phone me this weekend to gimme the exact tweak to do in CDM's transports.

cool, looking forward to that Alvaro.


here's the nudes of my WT-3200, it didnt even occur to me until now that i should have taken the disk out. oh well, i'm not going to open it up again ...


dingus- 11-30-2007
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Elroy- 12-01-2007
QUOTE (thedelihaus @ November 29, 2007 09:27 am)
elroy,

I find your experience interesting.

I wonder what's making the difference? It really is an interesting topic.

I'd imagine disc stability is an issue, possibly quality of connector parts inside the unit (is that optical-out lense glass, or polycarbonate?), ect.

Maybe internal shielding? Any hum or nise getting picked up internally in the units? I've seen the nicer CDPs from Kyocera and Sony with copper shielding and ceramic isolation. Some even with copper walls built around certain chips, transistors and caps- like the busted Sony CDP-102 I just dismantled.

Also, if you -*test*-('")ed using a coaxial out vs digital out, maybe the cable had a small role in it as well. I'm not sure.

Tad,

What is so interesting to me, is that on both scott's and my system the comparisons were extremely close, and I dont believe it should have been, especially on mine with the elcheapo toshiba using coax cable, compared to the denon with an optical cable.

I guess the question is "I wonder why there isnt a bigger difference in sound" in both systems, wierd.

elroy

btw, no hum was heard in either system

clint e.- 12-01-2007
QUOTE (Elroy @ December 01, 2007 02:59 pm)
....

What is so interesting to me, is that on both scott's and my system the comparisons were extremely close, and I dont believe it should have been, especially on mine with the elcheapo toshiba using coax cable, compared to the denon with an optical cable.

I guess the question is "I wonder why there isnt a bigger difference in sound" in both systems, wierd.

elroy

btw, no hum was heard in either system

Apart from the cable - the main differences are, optical cables doesn't have any RF interference compared to coaxial - Toshiba like Denon are good transports (remember all the fuss around el cheapo Toshiba 3990?!) BTW i have all the mods concerning that model wink.gif, you're using the same DAC smile.gif, and IMO because of that you won't hear any significant improvements.

dingus- 12-01-2007
QUOTE (clint e. @ December 01, 2007 09:13 am)
... you're using the same DAC smile.gif, and IMO because of that you won't hear any significant improvements.

so rather than upgrading to a better player \ transport, more improvement can be had by upgrading to a better DAC? this would seem to be the case as the margin between my players is razor thin, regardless of all the different cables used.

Sonik- 12-01-2007
How old are the Kenwood and the Toshiba players? I know that the Wadia can benefit much from having a new and better clock installed. I did and I am very happy with the result. I can hear a difference between my modified Wadia and my Pioneer DV 747 A (from 2001/2002). The difference is not big but it is there and I would not call it marginal. But I agree that you can improve the sound more by getting a better dac. I've have bought some dac's lately to -*test*-('") them using the same transport. Of course I also -*test*-('")ed the dac's against eachother. Dac's don't sound the same, they all have their plusses and minusses and some do beter with some kinds of music and less with other kinds of music. It's a matter of taste mostly, but it can be revealing to -*test*-('") them. Before I did this I thought my North Star Design dac was very very very good. I had to adjust this conclusion after -*test*-('")ing it directly with other dac's I had. Some of them more than 10 years older. Now I know many say that the technology has improved so much that new dac's are much better. Well, after my -*test*-('")ing I do not believe this to be true. If they are better at all then at most marginal. I however like some of my older dacs more then the North Star Design and so does my girlfriend who is a musician herself.

clint e.- 12-01-2007
QUOTE (dingus @ December 01, 2007 09:53 pm)
QUOTE (clint e. @ December 01, 2007 09:13 am)
... you're using the same DAC smile.gif, and IMO because of that you won't hear any significant improvements.

so rather than upgrading to a better player \ transport, more improvement can be had by upgrading to a better DAC? this would seem to be the case as the margin between my players is razor thin, regardless of all the different cables used.

In what cables are you talking about? Optical & coaxial?

Remember this, you have a great transport and a great and transparent Dac, so every little thing you do to your system have great sound impact. For better or for worse... biggrin.gif

Now... this must be a little polemic, but it is only my opinion... smile.gif

Do you have an independent ac circuit from the main ac board to your "sound outlets"?

With a good ground wire?

Are all your sound unities "in phase" with each other?

Have you something for RF signals (many wires=many antennas)?

Have you good power chords in your Wadia and EAD?

Have you consider to improve your speaker cable and stands?

Have you something for sound vibrations in the Wadia and EAD?

IMHO these are simple but extreme important things to really upgrade any good hi-fi system. Believe me i have tried them all. biggrin.gif

Consider all this and i'll bet that you'll ear and, more important, feel great differencies between the Kenwood and the Wadia. smile.gif


dingus- 12-01-2007
QUOTE (Sonik @ December 01, 2007 04:32 pm)
How old are the Kenwood and the Toshiba players?

the Kenwood is the DV-4070 dvp player, made in about 2000. the Toshiba is only a few years old i believe.



QUOTE (clint e. @ December 01, 2007 05:13 pm)
In what cables are you talking about? Optical & coaxial?

two different coaxial and one optical. used them all with both the Wadia and the Kenwood and have yet to detect any differences between any of them.

Mark B- 12-01-2007
QUOTE (Elroy)
BTW, I was completely blown away at how good scott's system sounded, the differences from the last time I listened and then again yesterday, was incomparable, just lush, warm, smooth, tight, refined, all the big, good words I can come up with, anyway enough of me babbling, im not much of a writer, or audioafficianado.


I think a Yamaha B-2x might have something to do with that.

Elroy- 12-02-2007
QUOTE (Mark B @ December 01, 2007 06:55 pm)
QUOTE (Elroy)
BTW, I was completely blown away at how good scott's system sounded, the differences from the last time I listened and then again yesterday, was incomparable, just lush, warm, smooth, tight, refined, all the big, good words I can come up with, anyway enough of me babbling, im not much of a writer, or audioafficianado.


I think a Yamaha B-2x might have something to do with that.

I know you are right, but there is more changes other than that amp, but I do believe all his changes have been synergistically appealing.

elroy

clint e.- 12-02-2007
QUOTE (Mark B @ December 02, 2007 02:55 am)
QUOTE (Elroy)
BTW, I was completely blown away at how good scott's system sounded, the differences from the last time I listened and then again yesterday, was incomparable, just lush, warm, smooth, tight, refined, all the big, good words I can come up with, anyway enough of me babbling, im not much of a writer, or audioafficianado.


I think a Yamaha B-2x might have something to do with that.

Sorry, but i do not concur with you on this.
Of course the B-2x is one of the best power amps ever build, but because of that it "only" amplifies what you gives to him.
If you gives him trash it amplifies trash, if you gives him a good sign - as the case here- he amplifies that good sign.
The B-2x works in class A with great power, resolution and transparancy...though, if there was any little differencies in the audio signal - between the Wadia and the Kenwood - he certanly shows them with great detail.

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