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| clint e. |
Posted: March 29, 2008 09:22 am
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
My main audio concern now is how to remove electric/digital noise from the audio signal pass band circuit in a cd player, without altered the main characteristics of the player; mainly because I have some respect for the guy’s knowledge that had project and thought the player electric and mechanical design.
All hi-end cd players have all kind of the best mechanical/electromagnetic/analogue/digital noise filters. Filtering noise give us the musical clarity most hi-end cd players have. More clarity give us more detail, more 3D sound image and depth, more definition in all sound spectrum, more dynamics…in two words, I mean four As we all know, in a cd player we have all kind of noise interference with the audio sign pass: Electric current noises from the main current and power supplies. Electromagnetic noises from transformers and electric wires. Mechanical noises from cdp transport and digital noises from upsampling, opamps even from anti-alias filtering components… In simple terms this "caps idea" is just to do some filtering with the less expense of time and money. What capacitors do? In simple terms caps store charge. But, not only that. Also they provide to circuits the amount of output voltage with the low ESR possible, acting also has filters to almost every component in an electronic circuit. There are lots of caps with lots of characteristics on the market….so, the idea is to put some of them with specific characteristics in the “main noise points” of the electronic cd player circuit to reduce some of the noise. To be honest, I’ve done that in all my cd players and the results are great. Nowadays there are a lot of cd players upgrades out there. Better clocks for jitter correction, over and non sampling dacs, wider and faster opamps, a lot of digital/analogue filtering devises, but that costs time and money and imho it’s better to buy a new cdp than completely change the cd player sonic signature. What's your opinions about this? Anyone tried this before? -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
| clint e. |
Posted: April 04, 2008 05:34 am
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
Some practical example of what i posted above, made in my Nad C521BEE :
Ceramic fuses and ferrite rings in the power cable and tranformer output: ![]() I'd change all the caps to Elna, Rubycon and Nichicon: ![]() Some Elna Cerafine and Nichicon Gold in the signal pass: ![]() A real upgrade in all sound spectrum. -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
| dingus |
Posted: April 04, 2008 08:56 am
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![]() How can people be so cruel? Group: Admin Posts: 4734 Member No.: 3 Joined: June 29, 2006 |
i love your work, i just wish i could hear the results too.
-------------------- Teledyne AR9, Yamaha B-2x, Yamaha M-2, Hafler DH-110, EAD DSP 1000, Wadia WT-3200.
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| Elroy |
Posted: April 04, 2008 12:43 pm
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![]() Thread Killer Group: Moderator Posts: 3045 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 29, 2006 |
was telling dingus yesterday, I wished I knew a little about electronics, but, I know nothing.
elroy -------------------- I got nothing
Yamaha CX-2000 Yamaha MX-2000 Zhaolu 3.0 DAC Modded Vandersteen 2c Denon DP62L Marantz 67 SE CD Player Teac W990rx |
| clint e. |
Posted: April 04, 2008 02:43 pm
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
The results in the Nad cdp was just amazing. I never thought the results will work at all. I had an idea that the sound will be more open and detailled, but i never predict such a tremendous upgrade. -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
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| clint e. |
Posted: April 04, 2008 02:50 pm
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
Now that you're in love with your new babys, don't even think touch a cap... Tanx for your input guys. -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
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| Elroy |
Posted: April 04, 2008 05:13 pm
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![]() Thread Killer Group: Moderator Posts: 3045 Member No.: 4 Joined: June 29, 2006 |
I am more of a hands on, just ask my girlfriend, I have to see it in person and actually do it, pictures are ok, but actually watching someone doing a mod, and me helping, would get me started on a diy, someday I will take something on.
elroy -------------------- I got nothing
Yamaha CX-2000 Yamaha MX-2000 Zhaolu 3.0 DAC Modded Vandersteen 2c Denon DP62L Marantz 67 SE CD Player Teac W990rx |
| thedelihaus |
Posted: April 05, 2008 02:50 pm
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![]() The Black Dahlquist Group: Moderator Posts: 2478 Member No.: 9 Joined: June 30, 2006 |
-------------------- What you got back home, lil' sister, to play yer fuzzy warbles on? Pitiful, portable picnic players? Come with uncle & hear all proper! Hear angels trumpets & devils trombones. You are invited!
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| dingus |
Posted: April 05, 2008 04:39 pm
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![]() How can people be so cruel? Group: Admin Posts: 4734 Member No.: 3 Joined: June 29, 2006 |
humma humma!
-------------------- Teledyne AR9, Yamaha B-2x, Yamaha M-2, Hafler DH-110, EAD DSP 1000, Wadia WT-3200.
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| clint e. |
Posted: March 07, 2009 01:36 pm
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
I'd experimented on my USB Box Dac and now i've done the same in the op-amps power rails of my Nad C521BEE cdp:
![]() ![]() This time with two caps in parallel, a poly and a metallized, on each op-amp: ![]() Of course i can only imagine this tweak with the silver mica caps....but for now,the upgrade is all over the music spectrum: Definition, low freqs attack, depth, detail and dynamics. ![]() Rock on! -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
| dingus |
Posted: March 07, 2009 02:51 pm
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![]() How can people be so cruel? Group: Admin Posts: 4734 Member No.: 3 Joined: June 29, 2006 |
Alvaro, you need to make a trip to the States and teach me how to do all these cool mods.
-------------------- Teledyne AR9, Yamaha B-2x, Yamaha M-2, Hafler DH-110, EAD DSP 1000, Wadia WT-3200.
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| clint e. |
Posted: March 07, 2009 03:47 pm
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
I'd love to go on a trip to a beautiful country like the U.S.A. but i don't need to just to make such a simple tweak like this. All you have to learn is to solder and desolder and you can practice on any kind of board, even from the trash, then i ( and others ) can guide you with simple knowledge to simple/pratical audio electronics. I'm learning from others to, after all nobody's born with all the knowledge...all we can do is learn from each other. I just know the audio basics and a few tweaks, nothing more.
But, this de-coupling capacitor tweak is imho, really great. I was thinking on changing Nad's op-amps to a better ones...not anymore. Btw, it was a little more difficult to do what i've done in the USB box than in here, just because of the op-amp size/type...but everything turn out just fine. EDITED: An interesting link about solder: http://www.curiousinventor.com/guides/How_To_Solder -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
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