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| speakerman1 |
Posted: January 01, 2009 08:10 am
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How many of you use surge protectors and ac filters?
-------------------- Creek 5350SE amp
Creek Classic Tuner Shanling T-1000 CDP Bellari Phono Amp MMF-2.2 le TT Akai GX-265D r2r Epos 12.2 speakers Epos M-16s Onkyo Cassette deck Nakamichi LX3 Cassette deck |
| clint e. |
Posted: January 01, 2009 12:48 pm
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
I don't use any surge protector but through the years i'd used several ac filterings methods, mostly to filter incoming RF noise and also to filter noises from light switches and other appliances.
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| speakerman1 |
Posted: January 01, 2009 01:09 pm
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I have an Adcom , Belkin, and 2 Grant Fidelitys. they all keep me @ 120 v. 60 hzs. The 2 Grants have no surge protection. The other 2 do. The Belkin goes off at the slightest surge.
-------------------- Creek 5350SE amp
Creek Classic Tuner Shanling T-1000 CDP Bellari Phono Amp MMF-2.2 le TT Akai GX-265D r2r Epos 12.2 speakers Epos M-16s Onkyo Cassette deck Nakamichi LX3 Cassette deck |
| clint e. |
Posted: January 01, 2009 01:19 pm
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
That's great.
When i have the t$me i'd like to buy one of those or this one from Tripp Lite. For now here is how my system is configured with independent electric circuit: Separate subpanel in my listening room Analog on one circuit DAC on another circuit Computer on another circuit I'm getting the best sound from this configuration. -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
| Elroy |
Posted: January 01, 2009 02:06 pm
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I use a surge protector only because I dont have enough outlets available for all my gear.
elroy -------------------- I got nothing
Yamaha CX-2000 Yamaha MX-2000 Zhaolu 3.0 DAC Modded Vandersteen 2c Denon DP62L Marantz 67 SE CD Player Teac W990rx |
| dingus |
Posted: January 01, 2009 08:41 pm
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![]() How can people be so cruel? Group: Admin Posts: 4734 Member No.: 3 Joined: June 29, 2006 |
i use a Panamax 1000 or something, surge protection and power conditioner. cant tell any difference in sound with or without it, but i like the one button on/off convenience.
-------------------- Teledyne AR9, Yamaha B-2x, Yamaha M-2, Hafler DH-110, EAD DSP 1000, Wadia WT-3200.
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| clint e. |
Posted: January 02, 2009 04:18 am
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
That's a good thing. It means that's neutral or flat in sonic terms. I'd notice in some power conditioners that somehow they colored sound, specially in the low freqs. -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
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| MacGyver |
Posted: January 04, 2009 06:41 pm
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![]() ST's Unofficial, Self-Professed "Mr.PIONEER" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 489 Member No.: 607 Joined: December 06, 2008 |
i use surge protector strips for all my gear. i have to; i've got far too many components not to! there all identical, recent models bought from COSTCO about a year ago. i believe they have some form of mild AC filtering. i also attach ferrite beads to the power leads directly inside the enclosures of as many of my components as they'll fit into. all my components are posessed of a very high sound quality, and i really do not know how much of it might be attributed to these measures...
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| speakerman1 |
Posted: January 05, 2009 06:33 am
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I have 1 question. Do you have a good pair of headphones? If so what sounds better the headphones or the speakers w/o the headphones?
-------------------- Creek 5350SE amp
Creek Classic Tuner Shanling T-1000 CDP Bellari Phono Amp MMF-2.2 le TT Akai GX-265D r2r Epos 12.2 speakers Epos M-16s Onkyo Cassette deck Nakamichi LX3 Cassette deck |
| MacGyver |
Posted: January 05, 2009 08:36 am
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![]() ST's Unofficial, Self-Professed "Mr.PIONEER" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 489 Member No.: 607 Joined: December 06, 2008 |
i have a pair of 1982 REALISTIC NOVA PROs. are those good enough? they sound pretty good to me, but, of course they're the very first and to date only pair of monitor headphones i've ever owned. what i really want are a good set of PIONEERs... This post has been edited by MacGyver on January 05, 2009 08:42 am -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-3000 Reference Compact Disc Player (1987) (JPN market version of U.S. market PD-91) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ![]() ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| dingus |
Posted: January 05, 2009 08:55 am
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i've heard some headphones that sounded dynamite, even some el cheapo pc headsets can sound pretty good. what they all seem to miss is space and dimension. i prefer the sound of a good pair of speakers
-------------------- Teledyne AR9, Yamaha B-2x, Yamaha M-2, Hafler DH-110, EAD DSP 1000, Wadia WT-3200.
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| MacGyver |
Posted: January 05, 2009 09:38 am
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![]() ST's Unofficial, Self-Professed "Mr.PIONEER" ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 489 Member No.: 607 Joined: December 06, 2008 |
as do i. no pair of headphones can really come close to a solid set of stereo loudspeakers. to my experience, four ways are the best. nevertheless, a good set of cans do have their time and place. come to think of it, OOPS, this AC FILTERS thread is being hijacked into a loudspeakers VS. headphones thread!! so sorry, OP!! -------------------- PIONEER VSX-D1S TOTL 130w/ch. A/V Stereo Receiver (1990) PIONEER PD-3000 Reference Compact Disc Player (1987) (JPN market version of U.S. market PD-91) PIONEER PD-M90X Reference Multi-Play CD Player (1987) (the very first REFERENCE/ELITE multi-play CDP) PIONEER CT-S800 (1988) full-featured TOTL Single-Well LaserAmorphous-Head cassette deck, with casted-iron transformer PIONEER DV-09 Reference DVD Player (1997) PIONEER CLD-3030 TOTL Compatible Laser Disc Player (1988) PIONEER GR-777 Ten Band Stereo Graphic Equalizer (1988) (TOTL remote controllable EQ with dual spectrum display) PIONEER CS-G503 Four-Way Stereo Loudspeaker System (199?) PIONEER SE-305 Stereo Headphones (1974) PIONEER MR-100 Multi-Room IR Receiver (1989) PIONEER CU-MR100 Remote Control Unit (1989) PIONEER CU-AV70 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV100 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1988) PIONEER CU-AV200 Programmable Remote Control Unit (1989) -MISC.- ELAC MIRACORD 46 Direct Drive Phonograph Turntable (197?) DENON DCD-1500 CD player (1986) (heavily upgraded, Dual-Mono output TOTL) PIONEER PD-M6 Multi-CD player (1986) (the very first PIONEER magazine CD changer) JVC HR-S8000U S-VHS VCR (1988) MITSUBISHI HS-U70 S-VHS VCR (1988) ROLAND BOSS BR-1180 Hard Disk Digital Audio Recorder (2002) JVC RM-S1 Universal Programmable Touch-Panel Remote Control (1988) ![]() ♥Aoi Nishimata Fan♥ |
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| Grant Fidelity |
Posted: January 06, 2009 02:36 am
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What you really want in a power filter/conditioner/distribution centre is spike protection (and hopefully improved sound), which is basically up to half a second where your spike becomes a surge, your circuit breaker should kick in after a half second. Surge protection is what can reduce the performance of your amp unless done right. All GF model do spike protection with both reviwers of GF complete front ends spending a lot of the review discussing our power products (very pro) and one was a huge 'power' skeptic who did an 'I eat crow type post' on CAM.
Also with tube gear, spike protection is basically a must, since the tube gear's power transformer is a step up which multiplies the spike. Cheers, Ian This post has been edited by Grant Fidelity on January 06, 2009 02:37 am -------------------- Ian Grant / Grant Fidelity
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| clint e. |
Posted: January 06, 2009 07:36 am
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![]() D161t@L 0N L1N3 / Analog at heart Group: Moderator Posts: 6089 Member No.: 40 Joined: July 13, 2006 |
I wasn't very accurate in my first post because the UPS that i use in my comp system have a built in surge protector.
Also, i must refer that different vendors (APC, PowerVar, Belkin, etc...) have slightly different definitions for the different types of power problems and solutions. Here's an excellent white paper from APC that discusses power protection from an objective point of view, i found this was the best reference I could find: http://www.apcmedia.com/salestools/VAVR-5WKLPK_R0_EN.pdf -------------------- ![]() " Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be measured " Albert Einstein![]() |
| Yamahaluver |
Posted: February 12, 2009 10:27 pm
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I live in a remote area in India where bad power is the norm. I survive with a array of surge protectors, CVT and stabilizers or else all my equipment would go kaput by now.
-------------------- Accurate sound is like the truth, always a bitter pill to swallow initially but in the end, you get to appreciate it over all.
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